So lets see how it goes. 50m depth. Thanks again. thanks wade. Beat has 2 new model: Propagate TORZITE and Propagate BLX. Pls dont give this a miss, am waiting for your invaluable input on these rods. I dont think it is made by Evergreen in Japan, at least. You are definitely appreciated in the community . I dont think my rod can recover that well in my pitching stroke if I go above that. I hear a mix bag of good and bad things about it. 3. Major Craft rod isnt really a SPJ rod. It makes sense to me. Jig Weight : 60 180gm How are them if compare with Poseidon slow jerker? Also i found the The Hearty Rise Setinkba III jig has an outstanding strike ration on the way down. until now it very smooth. Super smooth casting and retrieve and easy to use. Recommended Line : PE2.0 In my categorization, Class A is the top-notch, but Class B is still very sufficient and recommended. Get a OJ2000NR-HG Could you please help? Chris Thanks, thats exactly what I meant, Im a 30/40M drift boat guy, love to jig would like to try this, but $700.00 is a lot to start with. There are a ton of slow pitch rods on the market now. By the way, the Deepliner #8 handle 450 grams very well, and I think it is a perfect match for me. It is my pleasure. 
I was thinking of a PLFJ 710H-5 on an Ocea Jigger 1500H or a SOM L30Hi. If you can track one these reels down here they are wort My Review for this reel. Ill be jigging from a kayak in 100-250m for small dogtooth and yellowfin under 15kilos let me know. If you just want to get the game going and see how it feels like, I would get a descent reel if I have to compromise on the rod. If you already purchased this setup, dont just question your settings. Hi Kogo. I encourage you to explore more and more with this setup, keep learning from the field (and this website! But depending on the ocean condition and the verticality, any rod may not allow slow pitch jigging. I recommend OJ2000NRHG. Start with PE2.0 with 150g to 300g jig weight. It means theres little chance to get it new or used for cheap price. I would say he is very confident with his products. But when we lose fish, we really need to look into the causes. I came across the new ocea jigger f custom reel wanted to know your thoughts on that one. Many thanks for your answer. No its a good question. The reel can be matched up with any rod model if that matches. If you narrow it to a 30 meter range, what would that be? Hi Tom. Wondering if youve had any experience with Poseidons Long Fall Jerker lineup? Havent heard any feedback from the field yet, this is definitely going to be a top notch product. I recently bought an ocea jigger 1001 hg reel. The only available choice for me now are Hi Totos, i could not find evegreen fishing contact email address. When I tried the Tailwalk I was pleasantly surprised by how well the rod load a 350grams slow fall jig and how little efforts from the angler to lift the rod. currently i noticed some PSLJ product come with red color. Length : 68 (2.04m) Actually I found that I have had more bites when the tanya is resting on the seabed instead of moving it. 
Good luck. I dont know how you fish and what the conditions are, but what part of jigging all day is tiring? Thanks But there are ways to make it easy and you would want to make sure you try them all before you give up on your trusted equipments. Im sure you have tried it already and maybe you didnt have much luck. Im interested in doing light kinmedai slow jigging in Minami Izu, and they are recommending 300-400 gram jigs on pe 1-1.5. Length : 68 (2.04m) If so, they usually have excellents blanks !! Yes, I would say its Class A rod. A shorter rod is easier to manage on a kayak. It sounds like you are understanding this work very well. I am very new to slow pitch jigging and would like to know your opinions on a setup that im thinking of getting (based on availability). Do you know if Tailwalk use Suzuki rod blanks? I use ASS hooks mainly for my slow jigging application. Evergreen is a very stylish brand, and I think this red blanks is too ugly to be Evergreen. The whole experience was a very challenging and tiring. I am concerned with the action of Deepliner Mania Fellows as the rod is rather short although some models can take more than 1kg weight jigs. And I know Xesta staffs who are all very good slow pitch jigging anglers. They may sell the brand for someone to bring it back up, but for now, no promises. I saw your post on SFC Spunky 300 grams and wonder if Jig design could be the answer to the water resistance I am facing in each upstroke. i wish they can clarify the red PSLJ rod. Ciao I am using Deepliner and Evergreen Poisedon currently but is also curious about whether Xesta are Class A in your category ? We were all rather tired from a hard day of jigging when we compare the rods towards the end of the fishing day. Japanese captains used to have difficult times before the innovation of spanker sail. I wish I could test the rod in the field and confirm on those ideas. Section : One I am learning alot from you. Would appreciate if you could share some light on these rods. Bad stuff about the quality control was getting worse. It would be good if you find some people to share the shipping. In the heavy water situation, you need a power in your reel. Its much easier to try SPJ in the shallow waters. But rather than just sitting on a free-drifting, can you use backing up against the wind? Have you thought about that? It would be good if you could provide your opinion/experience on this rod. Or if there was any other rod you would recommend? The reel should be selected for your depth and your jig weight range mainly. maybe my question is a little bit out off topic, but I would like to known if an Evergreen Long Fall power 1 could be a good rod for Tenya fishing with tenya lures of about 100-200 g. In other words, the tip is enough flexible? Hi, yes, its a Ocea Jigger. Is there some way to get an accurate feel for slow pitch without spending 600.00 to 1000.00 Or both. The feeling is like fishing with a dumb-bell. Therefore? I dont know what is available in US, but Im sure you can find some things online because I do see people getting rods from Japan. Carbon Content : 99%, Xesta Slow Emotion Rod B684 For Slow Pitch Jerk i currently have Jigging World Ghost Hunter 150. It seems like a Japanese brand as the official site is in Japanese, and the reviews on the rods (as well as the reels), at least in English language, are extremely scarce. what a waste. 1. Because you are sitting in a fixed position, it would be easier to handle a rod no longer than 6 feet. Hi tonto..want to as..which one is good rodxzoga bbx(which i have one)or black hole cape cod from USA or should i get slow jerker rod. B684 is Power 4 rod, Slow Jerker 603-4 equivalent. Why u dont see in the catalogue, coz its a special order by Lure Haven. I know all Tenya rod is spinning. Your page is very informative and answers majority of question a beginner is seeking. And I am not sure if the reel SOM L120N which is much heavier than Ocea Jigger 2000 NRHG is making it better or worse for fatigue using heavy jigs. I was not being personal about the color. Ever since that trip, I know my physical limits, 450 grams is OK, but 600 grams is physically very challenging to fish for hours. 2. I actually spent a lot of time looking for an overhead rod for deep squid eging. Ive tried in the field once. i forget to mention what size of PE line do you suggest? Custom F is the same reel with additional functions. The rods seems nice. Own Weight : 127gm I was told these are special editions by Evergreen and they are not fake. Reading your website i have selected from your class a rods Poseidon, i just dont know whether i should go for the power #4 or #5. Jig Weight : 80 350gm I dont know. Its designed in details by the expert. Hi HY. Just hoping to help you try different things in your effort to find the compatibility. B685 is Power 5 rod, Slow Jerker 603-5 equivalent. Very smooth and responsive. I intended to use it for slow jigging and this time I am not sure if low gear is the right choice because I find it tiring to jig a 350-450 grams jig from 120-150 meters depth on a high gear Ocea Jigger NRHG2000 for a whole day.Whats your thoughts on this choice of reel ? Plain old Infinity? The weight of the reel is not much a problem compared to the fact that you will work less. Hi Totto san, Your input has been most valuable. Xesta Slow Emotion Rod B683 For Slow Pitch Jerk I have since bought a SOM L120 Narrow Spool for this purpose. Also reels. If you buy, I recommend Kohga overhead for the very sensitive and flexible tip. I use this reel for 5 year. Good luck. I fish in a free drifting kayak from 30m-50m deep waters here in the Philippines. The power of the crank is stronger. I dont know. I just dont understand why they only sell it in Thailand and Indonesia. * Shimano EX8 coloured metered line PE2.0 600m Thanks for your info, I will send you an email for the equipment Im looking at. It has been a while since I posted any comments here. I was given the opportunity to try this reel . You may look into this a little more. Good luck to you for that detective work. But I know there are many readers who use black hole and they seem to be happy with it. High Modulus Carbon Blank, light and sensitive. So what your opinion about a rod Evergreen Poseidon slow jerker 603-4 with a reel Oj2001NR-HG? I have interest in looking at the A.S.S Restoring Force, either the RF63M (up to 600gm) or MH (up to 700gm), pair with either SOM L50/120 or the Captcha 50/60HG sizes. Hi Nasution06 I try to find the Kohga rod. 350m+ It was good. Hi Mel I tried my longfall jerker 3. These suggestions are based on my assumptions about your situations. c. Ocea jigger infinity motive B610-0; Power 3 would be good. Thanks! Infinity Motive? The fact that there is no such thing in Japan, the way it is popping out in Southeast Asia, I would say it is very fishy. 100g at approx. Sorry, these brands you are inquiring is not Japanese brands and I cant say much about them. Thank you in advance. Power 4 or 5. Any feedback on the new Ocea Jigger F Custom? Yes, right on the money. They sell it in Japan too but its not so popular. Of course its good. FG knot is a bundle of most frequently used by the caster in the whole world. This way of SPJ opens up so many new methods such as high pitch with out even reeling the jig. I was able to catch with them many fishes between 1 and 2 kg,and a 5 kg grouper but I find that the tip is too rigid while the rest of the rod have the right power reserve so I thought it would be better a Long Fall Action 1.5. The followings are my suggestions. Hi Bayu. Ocea Jigger Infinity Motive or Evergreen Posoidon. It designed to enjoy slow pitch jerk. Product Detail : Built Review : I can recommend the Banax Extreme GT 5000 Heavy Duty Spinning Reel. Hi Toto san, Most of the jigging (80%) will be done around 80 m using 200-300 gm jigs but occasionally we go deeper to 130-150 m and use 400-500 gm jigs. Yes, you are right about the rod model. Backing up will help you stay close to the jig, even though you have to constantly control the motor. This is how you can calculate. i am new here. They are only producing only one model yet. Olivier. Jig Weight : 80 250gm Hi Toto-san Hi Totos, However, im hesitating as the rods are relatively new in the market and there isnt much info/ review done to date on the net. Thank you, hello everyone, I hope you find this article informative and helpful to you! I am pairing it with a saltiga 35hn also I recently purchased a silver bullet from a state side company called jigging world. What a surprise indeed. i am looking for slow pitch rod. Specifically I am interested in the B685 model. It depends on what is available in your area. He is a lure designer and studied slow pitch jigging with Sato Sensei. I fish here in max 50-60m water on a drifting boat. All 3 of us were using the same jigs and weight and same reels and same line. Ive seen it in an event, but you really have to use it in the field to really know the rod. I feel I have confidence in my setups I have chosen but the question of class A class B and C rods has me worrying whether I will have the sensitivity needed. Or, just think it was a bad day. Also which size would be better for either of those rods the 1500HG or 2000HG. With free-drifting, you are really leaving it all up to the ocean condition. You are supposed to reel when the line is tensioned to lift up the jig. The reason why youve lost a lot of fish probably is not the rod. Above is what I heard. Its so easy to blame it on the rod, reel and the jigs. If the water is heavy, you may need a high pitch jerker to move a 400g jig. I also realised #8 can hardly handle a 600 grams jig. Its all hearsay. I have Poseidon, Motive Infinity and Deepliner Rods but I wont choose a Motive for kayak fishing. The price tag is higher. i read all the posts and i think i came up with the set i want to have for slow pitch between 50-120 meters bottom fish Grouper, Striper, Dentex etc, And I also watched a lot of DVDs on slow pitch jigging from Japan (all the instructions on the DVD are in Japanese, LOL) but my passion in slow pitch jigging keeps me going. The spinning reel doesnt give any tension to the free-spool falling, but the overhead does. Ive heard many people say its nice. Own Weight : 139gm You are right. You need more lifting actions to keep your jig as close to you as possible. I would like to share my experience with Tailwalk Slow Bump Tz rod that I happened to try it on a offshore trip side by side with my Deepliner rods and Shimano flagship rods. I havent tried the setup yet and although I have been studying and watching thousands of hours of videos I still have not put it to practice. In a game of fishing, good detectives always improve fast and much. Ive seen Skylla in a fishing event, but never used it in the field. Of course I move it sometimes only to give it the chance to be seen by the fishes. Which setup would be ideal in these conditions? I am an experienced angler but jigging 600 grams for hours is a different story altogether. Can be very useful for your free-drifting situation. They must have come from somewhere inside. Thanks for the great articles! it is a very strong bond and strong to withstand the str My friend just bought this reel . I look forwards to your reply and if you would like ill be happy to make the connection. Yes, Ocean Freaks is a Japanese brand, led by a SPJ expert who used to be a field tester for Deepliner. Jig: Deepliner CX 450 and 550 grams, SFC Spunky 390grams. I missed this one. When the line is not tensioned by your rod actions, you are supposed to not reel and let the jig fall. More to come in 2015. Hi Wade. Next I would like to ask your opinion on SOM L30 S2T reel Low Gear. Thank you very much for your compliment. I learned a lot of and found all these products from http://www.oceandevil.com i think that the Hearty rise (HR) Rods defiantly have room in this article, and that you should reach out to oceandevil.com and maybe get from them a few rods to compare. More than USD100 by FedEx Economy, but it can ship 2 or 3 rods. And you have probably tried the shallow waters and didnt find much. Hi Totos, Hi Spiros. If you are free-drifting, longfall game is not recommended, especially when you are a beginner. ive been using a saltiga10h with pe2 and a major craft cross stage 6ft3 80-180g rod and imm loosing a lot of fish.its time to buy a real rod what would you suggest.boat is held in position with electric motor so always jigging vertical Totos is right. Did you check out this post? Beat Propagate BLX? Im very surprised to see red slow jerker on the web. Having said that, lifting a Deepliner CX 600 grams is a very strenuous exercise. a. Poseidon Slow Jerker PSLJ 603-4 or 603-6; Thank you very much for your compliments. Hi Totos, They are just pumping the rod, in which the jig is just slowly being pulled up. Tom B. Tito, Is there a way to get into an accurate feel for slow pitch without spending $600.00 to $1000.00 for equipment. But I ended up with a Tai Rubber rod from Daiwa, called Kohga. Now its time for me to put your theories into practice, before i do i need to select the right outfit for the job. Only generally speaking, if the heaviest slow pitch rod doesnt work, use a high-pitch rod. But if you are looking for reputation, there you go, its nice.. Targeted fishing area would be Lucornia shoals/ Burma Banks at depths of up to 200-300m at max, 500-700gm jigs. Hahaha. Thank you very for creating this website. Sometimes I help people import from Japan but private import of one-piece 2-meter rods is not cheap. Captain Higashimura of Deepliner uses Mania Fellows for giant groupers in the deep, Logical for smaller and less active fish like blackthroat perch at 200m+. Then you can control backing up to stay a little more vertical. And Im still not sure, but ASS seems to be going out of business. My new setup for the next strong current trip for depth up to 180m would likely be: Rod: Deepliner Logical 60 #8 is it fake or originally made by evergreen? Thank you very much for the informed article, defiantly on point with all the Japanese brands of Slow pitch rods. http://www.anglers-secrets.com/slow-pitch-jigging-on-a-free-drifting-boat/. Im looking at a rod rated from 90-350g and it seems a very wide range. But I dont know a Mania Fellows would have helped your situation. Maybe you can import a reel and a line from Japan for a descent price, but not the rod. So I bought the usual color, since I was told performance wise they are the same. But it looks too real for a fake model, like the logo, the tag, the reel seats, the guides. But Slow Jerker feels more crisp and sensitive, more like a strong whip. The slow jigging rods come in quite a wide range. All the deep squid eging rod is spinning, but because we fish deeper in Okinawa here, the overhead has so many advantages. Use your sense of action tone to balance the rod, the jig weight, and the ocean. Thank you Cris for your help. Hi Alberto. 15003000. the boat is at least 3-4 meters high above the sea level. That wide range of the jig weight comes from how the longfall game is done. I have two Evergreen Long Fall ( 5 and 6 power) and I used them with 200g tenya. There should be a balance of speed and power in the reel, but when it comes to SPJ where one-crank action is the key factor, I dont think you want to put low gear ahead of high gear just because its tiring. But I do think its important to have the no-tension fall of the spinning tackles in Tenya game. coz they are custom to suit the local needs & design. The bend on the rod were more and more curve and bend all the way nearer to the rod handle. Hi Totos, thank you for your reply I really appreciate your feedback. i will be free drifting majority of the time, fishing roughly about 50-100 meters, the main targets will be snapper, coral species (groupers) and the occasional kingfish. Please check out this post if you havent. many thanks for your kind and quick answer. i have a evergreen rod PSLJ with dark blue color. For example Japanese SPJ style is to work the rod for the jig action and then fight the fish with reel drag and 180 degree of rod in the water where the point of rod is directed at fish which is the conservative way, and then came out other brands suck as Hearty Rise with the Slow Jig III (SJ3) Rod that has become a big game changer that allows to both have amazing action to the jig and also fish the fish with the rod at 60 and 90 degree angel which allows you to put force and pump the fish, even the assist hooks are different only two on the jig. You put your rod-side foot on the railing of the boat, put your rod-side elbow on the knee, point the rod down with the rod butt in your armpit, and retrieve. It sounds like a tough exercise indeed! And in your situation, 1500 should probably be sufficient. Your choices are all nice rods. OJ1500 spec says, 300m of PE2.0, 200m of PE3.0. Accurate is not a Japanese brand. (Kohga also has Tenya series but they are all spinning). This reel is incredible. To confirm my experience, I asked another angler to test them side by side and they have the same conclusion as me. The rod I am having custom built with titanium guides and custom grips and wrapping. The fall lever is pretty nice, but I dont know how much effective it is to invite contacts. I would firstly like to thank you for this amazing website, before this page i had many questions and very little knowledge about slow jigging. Can you do a review on the newer products in the market if you know? I see alot of nice rods on this side, where can I buy them? Hi SPJ. http://www.anglers-secrets.com/fishyforum/#/20100210/currently-available-slow-jigging-sticks-2761601/, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/ocea-jigger-1500-or-2000/, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/jig-and-rod-match/, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/rods-and-reels/, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/seafloor-control-jigs/, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/reels-for-slow-pitch-jigging/#comment-20544, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/fishyforum/#/20140725/share-the-rod-shipping-4105501/, http://tailwalk.jp/salt/sallty_shape/s_jig/s_jig.html, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/about-japanese-anglers-secrets/, https://www.facebook.com/JapaneseAnglersSecrets/posts/825163594238160, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/what-is-slow-pitch-jigging/#, http://fishing.shimano.co.jp/product/rod/3531, https://www.facebook.com/JapaneseAnglersSecrets/photos/a.402598946494629.99896.378629468891577/1135879886499861/?type=3&theater, https://www.facebook.com/JapaneseAnglersSecrets/posts/1569035683184277, http://www.anglers-secrets.com/slow-pitch-jigging-on-a-free-drifting-boat/, How to make actions in Slow Pitch Jigging. Hi Tom. Its nice. Line: Shimano EX8 PE2.5 600meters b. Ocea Jigger Infinity B636 B653; The heart of the matter for me is the chance to leave the tenya in contact with the seabed irrespective the swell and for this I need a very flexible tip but also a conventional reel that allow to release the line in a more progressive way than spinning reel. It would be interesting to listen to your opinions, or even test review, on Skylla, Ocean Freaks. im from Australia and looking to chase king fish in 100m of water fish sized from 70cm-1meter. Slow Jerker flexes more, and springs back more. ), be a good detective, and keep your mind open and flexible. You have to use your own judgement. If you have trouble feeling the bottom with the spinning tackle, go lighter with the line. Thank you. When you are retrieving back to the surface, have you tried this? * Depth of Ocean between 150-180 meters. Explore shallower waters. A high-pitch rod would help you move the jig more in the deep. Infinity Motive is an interesting rod. Good luck. I would try 50m 80m first. I can only guess, but your situation sounds very tough. Reel: SOM L120N I dont know. Hi Totos, Pelagic fish? I shall follow your insights religiously. P.S: I currently own Deepliner, Ocea Jigger Infinity rods all in their heaviest rating to take heavy jigs. Longfall Jerker should do fine, but it doesnt make sense to me to buy it for Tenya. If you are looking for a rod, and its available in your area, this rod should be an option. OJ1501HG is a very good jigging reel. What are your main targets? Section : One Thanks for your input I greatly appreciate the rapid response. Looking at the spec 80-600gm jig weight range is quite astonishing. Hi Cris. I just posted a related facebook post that I would like you to check out. Right now the website has been down and CEO has been out of reach for months. How would you rate the Xesta Slow Emotion Rod ? FAQ: How should I match the rod to the jig? Thats my above review to share and purely based on my experience. Ive been reading your blog ever since, and gaining more and more information, what im understand is that slow pitch is more about listen, exactly like what you described, knowing the environment and situation, even your tackle, mind and body,we must adapt, thats pretty different with speed jigging, where fewer factors affecting our jigs action, and using tackle more like tools, while slow pitch is like using them as our hands, eyes and ears. Anyway, improving your drift will make you more productive than improving your tackles or actions. Hi AFS. In contrast more efforts were needed on the other rods. Hi-speed jigging may work better because it will reel in the line fast and at least move the jig. Propagate BLX is designed to be the highest sensitivity for finesse game. Japan is a super competitive market for a new comer and this rod is just as expensive as other Class A rods. Thanks, Hi Nasser. Length : 68 (2.04m) Check out how the HR rod is use to catch a 44kg dog tooth tuna on SPJ. If you have an outboard engine, your boat is likely to turn the back to the wind. Hi SPJ. But the shallow waters have never been explored by SPJ, have they? Appreciate your advice or anyone advice who have used a Deepliner Mania Fellows rod. Do not focus on the jig weight spec. Did you try them? Will KIV for now unless i can get it really cheap just for fun. Great for light jigging with Inchiku or Madai Jigs. Long fall doesnt expect the rod to kick up the jig. I cant say much about the products that are not available here in Japan. Its made of the finest materials and parts. Hello Totos, If you are free-drifting, its probably good shallow waters under 70 meters. Can I assume that it has a ultra sensitive tip to spring a 80gm and tapered as such to do the same for a 600gm given a constant depth of between 80-100m as a measure? Of course they would say that. Thanks so much for taking the time and effort to reply to all the messages and putting up articles. Lifting rods to make actions can be tiring, I understand, but when it comes to the reel, is it about retrieving back to the surface? Hi SPJ. Sea-anchoring will slow down your drift and keep you closer to the jig. Interesting review on Tailwalk. Hi Totos..how about OJ 1501HG pair with Horizon SL? Demersal fish? thank you for your support of evergreen products. Because you dont learn as much. Thank Totos for your advice..i will catch it soon. Thanks again for all the help! My hands have painful blister after that. i would like the clarify that the Red Limited slow jerker is indeed bulit by Evergreen. Beat was a private brand, specializing in slow pitch jigging, established in 2011 by Mr. Toshiya Ogai. I have made purchases of the SJ P4 and the 2000NRHG. Im not talking about you, but a lot of times I see anglers, when they make actions, reeling when the line is not tensioned. Semi-long blanks with butt-joint 2 piece. ?m of PE2.0, 400m of PE3.0. A little softer than Slow Jerker, I think. Im from Indonesia, java island, and most of the situation here is shallower water but with strong current, wind, and sometimes it is fast changing situation underneath. If you already have it, use it, of course. I will let you know how it goes once I get them. But I cant help you much. hi, this is Dave of Lure Haven If you have an outboard engine, the wind pushes your boat with the bow pointing downwind. But its really difficult to answer becaus Field test a new soft jump frog lure if video do not open or play, use this link : https://youtu.be/thGJBvBpd3g Testing a new j Street Fishing Testing Lure Action if video do not open or play, use this link : https://youtu.be/UD4MUoi8w8s Testing a Video tutorial about making Lures from thailand google image source. hi totos I have used the evergreen Poseidon rod slow jerker 603-4 and now im using the hearty rise slow Jig III power 1 and 2 and as much as i love the action on the evergreen rod catching big Dog tooth tuna and 40 lb AJs on the Hearty rise rod is absolutely thrilling. Congratulations for the useful reference, and the effort of updating your page to keep to the new products in market. I love how well it lift as the bend trace further back to the rod handle instead of a faster taper bend.
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